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Giving away the farm by J. Roz on Wed, Oct 27

Lived in CNY all my life - a lucky fella! I check this site not so much as find out where to fish - but just to day dream away about my favorite pastime... Love to read that people have been out and caught some fish - I really don't need to know where - Just that somebody had the chance to stand in a stream/float on one of our lovely lakes... get away from spouses/kids/jobs/ etc. Don't like to see the movie after I read the book - Imagination is often better than reality

That being said - I'd love to hear about the wild 15' brown you caught on a nymph of your own design - Heck I might imagine that you caught it in the ditch down the street and it might give me hope that I could do the same.

The posting about the creek that runs through the quarry is the type of thing that could quickly kill the place... Having a parade of people through the area will make the owners a bit nervous (I am close to people who work there) - Yes it is private property - Along the same lines - The fella from Pennsylvania - nursing student - giving out the details of the places I've fished for 40 years is disheartening - Where to park, pee, etc. and now he's off to happier fishing grounds... To make a short story long - Never liked the fellas who kissed, etc. and told - Somethings are better to find out on your own!

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Re: Giving away the farm by John Pinzer on Wed, Oct 27 (61192)





WELL SAID

Re: Giving away the farm by Mike McGraw on Wed, Oct 27 (61201)
I fished that stretch of Butternut creek as a youngster. I have stopped many times and looked down from the bridge over looking the upstream side of the quarry stretch and wondered how to get down there without getting in trouble.I'm to chicken to trespass though!

Re: Giving away the farm by Mike McGraw on Wed, Oct 27 (61202)
I fished that stretch of Butternut creek as a youngster. I have stopped many times and looked down from the bridge over looking the upstream side of the quarry stretch and wondered how to get down there without getting in trouble.I'm too chicken to trespass though!

Re: Giving away the farm by Mike McGraw on Wed, Oct 27 (61203)
I fished that stretch of Butternut creek as a youngster. I have stopped many times and looked down from the bridge over looking the upstream side of the quarry stretch and wondered how to get down there without getting in trouble. I'm too chicken to trespass though!

Re: Giving away the farm by John Coxey on Wed, Oct 27 (61209)
J. Roz:

- I'm the nursing student (graduate) from Pennsylvania that commented about Nine Mile Creek.

- Nine Mile needs all the friends it can get. Amazingly, I never met anyone down in the swamp after the first week or so after opening day. Yet, Nine Mile Creek is supposedly the most popular trout stream in Onondaga County.

- Two days after opening day, no one was fishing the Cave Pool. However, I went up there and had a 20+ trout afternoon right at the Cave Pool (13 or 14 were wild bows). You can read my report from this past April.

- Sure, I enjoy showing off my success ... just like most of the other folks on this board. I'm definitely not revealing any secret locations when I post about Nine Mile. What I am revealing is the true potential of this stream, and what a treaure it truly is.

- Hopefully, the right person(s) will read my (and other's) posts, and maybe, just maybe, we'll get Nine Mile designated as a wild trout stream.

- Bottom line, I didn't step on anyone's toes by revealing ones "secret" spots.

- If you want a truely secret location ... there is a wild brook trout stream less than 3 miles from St.Joseph's Hospital. That I will let you find on your own.

- If you ever get down this way (to Pennsylvania), I'd love to show you around the Little Juniata or Spring Creek.

- Until then, tight lines.

John Coxey
(jpcoxey@yahoo.com)

Re: Giving away the farm by [no name] on Fri, Oct 29 (61339)
I can see both sides of this debate. Some people have reached the point where they enjoy helping other people have success as much or more than having success themselves. I don't blame them for that. Fly fishing has a stereotype of being elitist and solitary. Any experienced flyfisherman who shares information with new recruits helps break that stereotype down. I believe that is a good thing. On the other hand, I understand people not wanting to be elbow to elbow with a bunch of other flyfisherman. I take into account how busy a stream is when choosing a spot to fish. With a little effort, you can usually find an out of the way spot that produces fish.

Re: Giving away the farm by john on Fri, Oct 29 (61372)


I followed one of the "were to park and pee" posts to a spot on Skaneateles creek, only to find that it was private posted property. I walked up and down the road and the only access to the stream I could find was either to jump off the bridge, or to walk across someone's yard! I knocked at the house, but no one was home, so I went to a spot I already knew was public fishing. I had a great day and landed a nice big pig of a brown too. I don't care how wild the fish are, I'm not trespassing to get them. The property owners around here don't care if you are using 5x tippets on a nymph rig or chucking worms. They see fisherman as pests and if you trespass you could end up in jail. So ask if it's ok to fish and please if you do post about a spot make damn sure it is not on private property.



Also, I want to point out that many folks that read posts here don't fly fish. Bait and spinner guys use this site too! The swamp section of nine mile came up...Well late this season I was mucking my way in and ran into a couple guys coming out. These fellows had spinning gear and a couple of nice trout on a stringer (nothing wrong with that). We chatted and they said that they found out about this spot reading a post on this site and they were surprised they had not had better luck. So we exchanged pleasantries and I when I got to the creek it looked like Christmas. The tress were decorated with bobbers and egg sinkers, everything strewn with 30lb test as tinsel. Santa had even left presents in the the form of worm tubs and trash!



I'm not trying to blast anyone here. I love this site and the all the posts and info. looking for information is how I found this grate place, and that's why I keep coming back.

Re: Giving away the farm by Gadabout caddis on Tue, Nov 2 (61655)
I too, have lived here all my life, and agree with you that those of us with outdoor pursuits are very lucky indeed! I'd also be willing to bet that almost all of us, if we're totally honest, were introduced to our sport by someone at one time in our lives, someone who cared enough to share the experience. That also included some suggestions of places to go once we were one our own.
I also, during the 70's, saw trout floating belly up in that stream from pollution that seeped into the stream from the quarry operations. I was one of the volunteers that assisted in the clean up of that section of the stream, and the re-stock with adult, breeding capable fish once the stream was clean enough for them to survive. We didn't do this so the stream could be enjoyed by a few sefish individuals that wanted to keep the stream to themselves. We did this to share restore the resource and to share it with others with similar interests. We know that in order for our sport to survive, especially in an urban setting, we must recruit others who value these experiences to insure it's protection. Otherwise, we all lose it! I find that most fly fisherman are most courteous sportsmen, that genuinely enjoy seeing others participate successfully in the sport. Some take a few fish for dinner, but not many. Protection of the resource is paramount, and this is best established by appropriate regulations. The more that enjoy it, the better protected it will be. If you're looking for solitude and special spots, the Adirondack's are full of them. Urban fisheries are best developed and protected when they're enjoyed by many. That being said, I haven't shared the canyon section water with more than one other person in all the times I've fished there. Most people simply won't go to the trouble to get into the canyon. And the other poster is right, you CANNOT access the water from the top of the falls, those people jealously guard their privacy, so please respect that. You can access the stream from the downstream side, and public fishing rights have been secured in the stream downstream of the falls. As always, remember we're guests, treat the land and access rights respectfully, pick up trash if you see it and bring it out with your when you leave, and we'll all be able to enjoy this unique and special place for years to come.

Re: Giving away the farm by Josh S. on Wed, Nov 3 (61752)
G. Caddis,

Just wanted to say that I appreciate your willingness to help out those of us who are less informed when it comes to flyfishing in this area. My grandfather played a major role in introducing me to the sport, and I often still use his old rod & reel!

John Coxey,

Your posts and enthusiasm are always a great addition to this site (much better than my posts, which rarely include any fish hooked!) Sorry about all of the backlashing around here...

Everyone else,

WTF, folks?!? If you hate secrets being spilled so much, why do you bother with this site? Last I read, its purpose was to share information and encourage fly fishing in Central NY. Go back to your honey holes, and I'll let the DEC know that there's no need to stock "your" water with my tax dollars anymore...

Josh S.

Re: Giving away the farm by Nick Firman on Wed, Nov 3 (61753)
Coxey,
A lot of your help has helped me introduce young guys into fly fishing. The irony from all this is you always led me to the most fished holes in the state, with a tweak in technique and fly choice we managed to catch the wild fish the bait boys couldnt manage. There will always be someone out there to complain. Thanks for your positive attitude.
Nick

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